tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post2777136294609215327..comments2024-02-10T00:13:51.132-08:00Comments on KeithLowellJensen.blogspot.com: A response to Tom WoodsKLJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-62031363730652713212022-06-20T00:21:06.403-07:002022-06-20T00:21:06.403-07:00Thank you for this article. It's really helpfu...Thank you for this article. It's really helpful for us. We are the Best <a href="http://www.cubicinteriorsco.com/" rel="nofollow">Furniture company in Bahrain</a>Cubic Interiorshttps://cubicinteriorsco.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-29027118263019121762018-09-03T10:11:37.915-07:002018-09-03T10:11:37.915-07:00I only know about this meme, and Keith Lowell Jens...I only know about this meme, and Keith Lowell Jensen (sorry, I truly had never heard of you and haven't been on Twitter in the last couple of days eventhough I follow Tom Woods), because someone on Facebook DID try posting it as a refutation of libertarianism and how they finally "grew up". So yes, at least anecdotally, it is being used as a rhetorical bludgeon against people like me. Granted, this is the internet and you can believe me or not, but its pretty much par for the course for people to use reductio ad absurdum. Its right up there with "Muh Roadz!" type arguments or "Move to Somalia" as retorts to the point of becoming akin to Godwin's Law for internet debates. Brooklyn Red Leghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02649492866049982193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-52040335098532351052016-09-01T03:33:49.066-07:002016-09-01T03:33:49.066-07:00Just in case what I mean wasn't clear (English...Just in case what I mean wasn't clear (English isn't my first language), here is an example...<br /><br />There is an episode in Louis C.K.'s tv series where one parent at his daughter's school just leaves her kid with him. The boy has ridiculous dietary requirement (nothing made of carbon), shits in his bathtub, throws his carpet out of the window, etc. Is this story true ?<br /><br />Maybe one day, a parent at his daughter's school left her child with him, or maybe he knows someone it happened to.<br />Maybe a friend of his daughters came to his place once and had strange dietary requirements, but probably nothing as ridiculous as "nothing with carbon".<br />Maybe a friend of his daughters came to his place once and threw stuff out of the window, but probably not the carpet.<br />Probably one of his daughters, some day, had a "poop accident" while taking a bath, I would be surprised if any parent could say it never happened to them. <br /><br />Each element might have happened, in some shape or form, but is it likely that happened all the same day, with the same child, and that it was that extreme ? No, that's highly unlikely. And I certainly wouldn't assume it did happen this way, not until it he confirms it in a non-comedic context.<br /><br />Likewise, I wouldn't assume any piece of comedy routine is literally true, and wouldn't ever think of accusing a comedian of abuse based solely on his comedy routine.Adriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-4058965578247751402016-09-01T01:03:49.315-07:002016-09-01T01:03:49.315-07:00Brett, I get that. But when one posts a meme, I as...Brett, I get that. But when one posts a meme, I assume one knows who the person on the meme is. When the person is a comedian, the fist assumption should be (in my opinion) that it is not to be taken literally because comedy relies a lot on exaggeration, invention, combination of different stories into one, etc. So any person with a half decent brain should (again, in my opinion), when listening/reading a comedian, assume that the story isn't literally true. <br /><br />I don't know much about libertarianism (and the little I know doesn't work well with my view of the world). But that's not the point of my comment. The point is : what kind of idiot thinks that what comedians say in their routine is literally true ? <br /><br />The famous (in France) comedian Coluche always had a notepad with him, and wrote every single thing he heard in his life that he thought could be used in his comedy (when he died, they found dozens of boxes filled with notepads). When writing, he would browse through lots of notepads, looking at one story from here, one story from there, exaggerating a third story, and make it into a single sketch. Most of his comedy was based on real events, but almost none of his stories were actually real, they were all composites, exaggerations, happened to different people, etc.<br /><br />So again, one really needs to not understand the basics of comedy (and I absolutely don't pretend to be an expert) to assume that any story told by a comedian can be read literally. <br /><br />(And roundabouts might "work" better than stop signs, but they are also much, much, much more expensive. Don't Libertarians often complain about government spendings ? There is no such thins as an absolute "better", it is always better in some way, and worse in some other. Roundabouts are better for traffic, stop signs are better in cost. On roads with low traffic, where the roundabout efficiency is not required, stop signs are much better because they get you roughly the same result for much cheaper)<br /><br />(and regarding "twitter comments literally as being true libertarians, but instead trolls and more likely right wing nuts who think they are libertarians", that's a No True Scotsman Fallacy ...)Adriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-62586763048053538792016-08-31T07:16:40.155-07:002016-08-31T07:16:40.155-07:00And the actual libertarians, like Tom Woods, calli...And the actual libertarians, like Tom Woods, calling me a child abuser?KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-56028913300807192532016-08-31T07:16:23.921-07:002016-08-31T07:16:23.921-07:00And the actual libertarians, like Tom Woods, calli...And the actual libertarians, like Tom Woods, calling me a child abuser?KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-19520176115819011762016-08-31T07:14:46.664-07:002016-08-31T07:14:46.664-07:00Thank you.Thank you.KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-18001195594177975492016-08-31T07:14:44.914-07:002016-08-31T07:14:44.914-07:00Adrien, I don't believe the people posting the...Adrien, I don't believe the people posting the meme are posting it as a joke, even if Keith meant it as one. Many honestly believe this refutes libertarian policy, which it doesn't. The best way to state libertarian policy when it comes to this manner is that you are free to do as you please as long as it doesn't endanger the life or property of someone else and disobeying traffic laws endangers the life of others and therefore falls under that part of you need to obey them, but some traffic laws aren't really needed and are just going overboard. (Although as Tom points out, roundabouts do work a crap ton better than stop signs do :P)<br /><br />And again, I don't believe Keith was trying to actually refute libertarianism, but the people posting the meme are trying to refute it with the meme. And Keith, you shouldn't facebook, and especially twitter comments literally as being true libertarians, but instead trolls and more likely right wing nuts who think they are libertarians.Brettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-45517665854799506152016-08-31T02:50:54.394-07:002016-08-31T02:50:54.394-07:00I am not a Libertarian (I am French, there is no s...I am not a Libertarian (I am French, there is no such thing as a libertarian movement in France, or at least, nothing significant), but seriously ... guys ... humour !<br />Isn't exageration an essential part of comedy ? Shouldn't the basic assumptions be that 1/ people are decent and don't try to hurt their children, and 2/ a lot of comedy routines are invented, composite of stories, or widely exagerated, and therefore shouldn't be taken litterally ?<br /><br />Keith, you seem to be a great person and an awesome dad. Keep doing what you're doing !Adriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-62063042747221810212016-08-30T13:08:43.697-07:002016-08-30T13:08:43.697-07:00Thank you.
Max has libertarian uncles, I have libe...Thank you.<br />Max has libertarian uncles, I have libertarian buddies. I realize asshole like the ones threatening me exist across the political spectrum. <br />KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-79331793222369355372016-08-30T11:44:53.930-07:002016-08-30T11:44:53.930-07:00To Tom Woods: As a Ron Paul Libertarian, I love yo...To Tom Woods: As a Ron Paul Libertarian, I love your podcasts, Tom, but you jumped the shark on this one. Creepy? I guess you've never jokingly threatened any of your children with extreme bodily harm. You're not a real dad if not. Also, lots of assumptions. What a shame to you, Keith, for all the hate you're getting. Trust me, that's antithetical to libertarianism. Everyone needs to lighten up and let the sanity return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18463804.post-82785086183398594002016-08-30T10:09:52.729-07:002016-08-30T10:09:52.729-07:00In the comments Tom says, referring to my Twitter ...In the comments Tom says, referring to my Twitter feed:<br />"He is extremely hostile toward us. So this alleged humor is actually not humor. He hates us, and really thinks he's nailing us.<br /><br />Also, people are posting this on Facebook not because they think it's funny (because who can deny that it isn't), but because they really think the argument works."<br /><br />I'd like to see examples of any of this, of my being hostile, hateful, or thinking I'm "nailing" you. <br /><br />That you can't believe anyone else thinks something is funny if you don't seems myopic and narcissistic to me. <br /><br />KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.com